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Kyle Pearce: And ignite those teacher moves. Welcome, my friends, to another episode of the Making Math Moments That Matter Podcast. And today, Jon and I are going to be riffing on something that's been on our minds quite a bit lately. Jon, probably one of the most common pushbacks we hear, maybe struggles we hear from educators, not just in education, but also I think in everyday life we experience this too, right?

Jon Orr: Yeah. And I think it's got to be our biggest pebble. We talk oftentimes here on this podcast about pebbles in our shoe. And it's no wonder that this is our biggest pebble is because we have so many things to juggle as educators. So that pebble that we're talking about here, and what we're going to talk about in this episode is addressing this phrase that we all say on a regular basis, that we don't have enough time to blank, or we don't have enough time to bring this into our program, or I don't have enough time to call parents. The don't have enough time phrase, I think has to be used the most out of educators on a daily basis.
So we want to talk a little bit about that, because we're going to talk about how to create more time. When you ask educators in a professional development scenario or experience, and you say, what do you need more of? Everyone is going to say time. We want more time in the day. We want to spend more time doing this. We'd love to have time over here to do that. So that's what we're going to do. Instead of saying, I don't have enough time, we're going to talk in this episode about how to create more time.

Kyle Pearce: I love it. I love it. And if we really think about it, time in education, but also just everyday life, it's the most scarce resource we have as human beings. And oftentimes I personally have to think about this a lot, I know you think about this a lot, Jon, as well. We have a lot of people who always say, "Jon, Kyle, how do you guys have the time? How do you find the time to do all the things we do?" And we do reflect on this quite a bit, because we have to balance the things we enjoy doing, like this podcast and all the work we do around Math Moments, but then also we have our family, we have our health, we have friends, we have our actual day job work, which we love as well. That's why we do the work we do.
And we have to be thinking about these things and thinking about, I guess what fuels you in life? What is actually making you excited? What fuels you to do more, to feel more positive? And something I know, Jon, we didn't talk about this before, but something my wife's been really on lately based on some of the podcasts she's been listening to just about her own self development and her own personal health journey, she talks about three things. She says she wants to make sure that decisions she makes in life make her feel good before, during the experience and after the experience. And that is something that I've really started to bring into my layering of when I'm making a decision on what it is I'm going to do and when, that can be really helpful for me to decide, is it worth it or is it not worth it? Is it something I don't want to necessarily do?

Jon Orr: So as a tangent here, not specifically about time, which we will get to, it's do I want to eat this donut? Because right now, before I eat a donut, I'm okay. While I eat the donut, it's going to be amazing. But after I eat the donut, might not be so awesome.

Kyle Pearce: How am I feeling now? If you use that filter for pretty much everything we do in life, it can at least make it a little easier to encourage yourself or at least convince yourself as to whether it's worth it or not. Because I will say the donut example's a great example. We were in Denver last week, Jon, and we got some donuts. A very strategic donut seller convinced us to take donuts when we didn't want them for free because they were going to get thrown out. And we took them and then we felt compelled to leave a tip, which was significantly more than what donuts would have costs. And we were like, wait a second, I think.
So we had these donuts and I remember trying to use this filter later in the day. And the first time I was like, I'm not going to have a donut because it's not going to make me feel better after. But then I didn't use the filter later that day and I did eat the donut, and afterwards I sort of felt a little bit of regret, a little bit of remorse because it wasn't making me feel so great.

Jon Orr: This reminds me of another ruled called, it's not the exact same, but it's in the same realm, because it's not before, but it's the 10, 10, 10 rule. We talked about it, I think last year on the podcast, and it helps with decision making as well. It's like, if I make this decision, how am I going to feel 10 minutes from now? How am I going to feel 10 days from now? And then how am I going to feel 10 months from now? So it's like, is it going to make sense now? Later? And then a long time later? So sometimes that helps me with money decisions. It's like, I want to buy this thing and how am I going to feel right after? And then what about later in this month? And then what about near the end of the year?
Is this decision worthwhile way later when you think about it? Is it going to hinder us overall? Or is it going to not be so insignificant? When I think it's such a big decision now, when I think about the 10 months from now, I'm like, ah, this is going to be nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Kyle Pearce: I love it. And if we bring this back into, so you mentioned a tangent, but I think it's really helpful because it frames what we're going to be talking about in depth today in the classroom. And if we start with that idea, Jon, everything we do in the classroom, we can use some of these filters. Now, if we talk about the 10, 10, 10 rule that you had mentioned, that could be really helpful for trying to get yourself past some of the decisions that we have to make on a daily basis. Should I do this or should I do that? And if I look at these two things and I sort of think of both with that 10, 10, 10 rule, that might help me decide whether it's actually worth it or not. Do I think doing this thing is going to have an effect not only 10 minutes from now? Because I think we often limit ourselves in that way.
We think in our classroom, and because your math block might be 50 minutes, or 75 minutes, or whatever that length of time, we think in minutes. And in reality, everything we do, if we sort of start looking beyond that, even if it's 10 days from now, if the thing I'm talking about, and I'm stewing over it and I'm like, should I do this? Should I do more of this? If I was to even think 10 days down the road, are students going to remember this 10 days down the road? Is it going to be helpful to them 10 days down the road? Or is it going to be one of the other things that's going to kind of fall off the radar and not actually be leveraged again? Then it makes my choice a little bit easier as to, first of all, should I be spending this much time thinking about this thing? Is it that big of a deal or is it not? And if I do think it's going to be effective, then I might start thinking about how do I do this thing more often in my class? Right?

Jon Orr: Right. So what you're saying, Kyle, here is that when we say we don't have enough time, what we're really saying and what we're really thinking is, because I think time is or individuals will choose to do different things at different times. So it comes down to priorities. When you're talking about that, I was like, is it going to be effective 10 days from now or 10 months from now? We have to think about what is a priority for us this year or now? And doesn't have to be in school. It could be for life. It's like, when we say we don't have enough time, we're really saying we're not making that a priority right now. And I think that's where we have to think about what are our priorities? So really this episode comes down to goal setting, I think, because once we set goals, that's when we can decide whether we have enough time and whether we're choosing to use this other thing that might not fit in our goals for this year to impede on that time.
Because you're right, Kyle, we do have a set number of minutes and hours that we spend on things. And so when we're introduced to new ideas and we say, ah, I just wish I had more time to do this kind of stuff. What we're really saying is, I'm not choosing to spend time there now. I could. I could change something in my schedule, or my timeline, or my goals to do that thing. But when we say we don't have enough time, we're really saying we're not making that a priority yet.

Kyle Pearce: Yeah. I love it. And really, I think even taking that a step further as well, it's okay, if you've been thinking about the things you're currently doing and you have put them maybe through the 10, 10, 10 filter, for example, or you've been thinking about this how do I feel before, during, after filter, whatever you choose, if what you're doing currently, if you feel that that's going to be more helpful or more important than the thing you're saying you don't have time for or you're saying you don't want to make a priority, if you feel and you've compared those two things and you feel what's happening now is more important, then you're in perfect shape. You should be saying no. What I'm doing right now is actually working really well.
But where I find we often get stuck as educators is what we're doing right now often isn't going really well. And then this new thing comes in, and oftentimes we hear from educators, they're like, "wow, this is great." They say it's great and they're like, "this is awesome, but." And then that but comes in and they say, "I can't do it because I don't have enough time." And what we're hearing, basically if we translate this a little bit, what we're hearing from this educator or many educators we've had these conversations with is they haven't taken enough time to look at what they're doing now and spend that time to think about what is working well, because there are things working well. It's not like everything you're doing in the day is not working. Are there things here that we can potentially take out? Can we set less of a priority or less of a focus on that thing in order to bring this into the fold? And this is hard work.
And I think that's really what happens is that we have to prioritize the thinking time, the planning time, the analysis, that reflection to be able to go, okay, I like this, but right now there's nowhere to put it. Well that's because I got to arrange something differently. I'm going to have to make some change over here. So we need to start assessing where you're spending that time during your class, during your prep time and before and after school. So there's a big analysis that needs to take place. And I think it can be scary for some educators to go, oh, I don't want to go down that rabbit hole. But I think it's such a helpful thing to start doing, to start really looking at things from a high level and sorting through, where is all of this time going? Every day, you have 24 hours in every day, where is the time going? And am I okay with where the time is going?

Jon Orr: Yeah. And so a helpful tip that actually worked well for me and you is actually tracking that time. Those three categories, Kyle, that you kind of outlined. I got myself an easy spreadsheet. I wrote down some times that I'm spending in the day. Like you said, what am I doing during class? And now this is not something you have to do every day. This is something that you might do a couple times a week, just one week. Really what you're trying to do is you're trying to capture, because we don't think about it. We go through our day and we do what we do, but we don't actually sit down and go, how many minutes did I spend here? And how many minutes did I spend here? And what was I doing? So something that can be eye opening, eye opening is to track those minutes in a day.
And I think one day isn't good representative. We want a good sample here. So you're going to track maybe the first three days of the week, maybe Monday, Wednesday, Friday. And at the end of the week, you're going to look back and go, where did I spend time? So specifically what worked for me, and now we got this idea from productivity book, a book about how to make things a little bit more streamlined and just analyze that time. So our categories right now are, what am I doing during class? Did I spend some time? Think about some categories that you could jot down. Like when you're in class and you're tracking some time, you might say in your spreadsheet after class ends, all of a sudden I did all this one thing. From 9:05, and be specific, you can track some minutes, from 9:05 to 9:35, this is what I did today with my students. This is the during class time.
And then if you try to categorize some, it's like, I did a problem-based lesson, or I did a direct instruction, or I worked with kids one on one. Maybe something that you can repeat those categories. And then from 9:35 to 10 o'clock this is what I did. And then you also have the prep time. Write down the minutes. You want basically capture your minutes. Now, I know it sounds like we're adding more things to your list to do.

Kyle Pearce: Temporarily.

Jon Orr: Oh my God, I have to now write down all the time. You're only doing this because you actually want to save time. This is going to be adding more time temporarily, but the goal here is to save and create more time for you. So what you're going to do is after those three days, you're now going to see how many minutes you spent in certain categories during these really important time slots in your day, during class, during prep time, and maybe before school, after school. You could also call that prep time. But what you're doing is now you're going to see, did I spend a lot of time on direct instruction while I was in class? How many minutes did I do that? Oh, I was assessing during this time or I was marking. You could even say I'm marking. So I'm marking on my prep time. How many minutes this week did I spend there?
Just knowing the time slot, so the minutes that you've accumulated over the week in these areas is going to open your eyes to seeing where you're spending time. Because you got to know that first before you can start to go, oh, I didn't think that I spend so much time marking, or I didn't think that I spent so much time kind of leading discussions during class. And once you do that for the week, you'll get that snapshot. You don't have to do that anymore. But what you're going to now do is go, how can I pivot these minutes into these other minutes that I now want to set as a priority in my room? We've talked with teachers who are like, oh, having my students work through problem based lessons at the boards, I think I can get into there. But how do I manage this? And where do I fit my practice time in? These are all questions that we try to mold, but we have to know how many minutes we're spending in all these areas before we can start injecting new ideas in.

Kyle Pearce: And I think even just looking in class for now, just for a moment, if I track for one week where I'm spending my time, minute by minute, doesn't have to be exact, but in general, call it five minute blocks or whatever you want to do, how detailed you want to get is really up to you, I think what you're going to find is that minutes vanish in the classroom so fast, and the same's true outside. That's true as well. But when we're talking in the classroom, how much time am I committing? When I look at my lesson plan, we reference this a lot in a lot of our presentations, and I think we mentioned in a keynote we did last week in Denver, where I would always commit in my lesson plan 10 minutes to taking up homework. And then 35 minutes later I would start my lesson. It would always triple or quadruple the amount of time.
And it took me a really long time to realize that, first of all, that it was happening. I knew every day in the moment it was happening, because I'd look at the clock and go where's the time gone? But then I never did anything about it. So then it's, okay, if let's say I've committed more time than I want to some section, if you're going to continue taking up homework, we chose to kind of do that in a different way, working more individually with students a little later in the day or in the classroom. But if you're still going to do that, maybe you want to set yourself a time. You have literally 10 minutes, and then anything that does not happen in that block of time, it will have to happen a little later. We can't continue to just let that time balloon, because what I'm saying is that this homework take up is more of a priority than whatever else I had scheduled in that particular class. So I think by tracking this time, like Jon's mentioning here, this will at least help you figure out where it's going.
It's like a budget for money. Everyone always talks about it. You have to know where your money is going, especially in today's world because it comes and goes so freely with credit cards and with interact or debit purchases. The same is true or maybe even more so for time, because you don't even have to do anything. Time just happens. And if you are not doing something in it, it is gone. So trying to get a hold and get a better understanding of where that time is going. And are you comfortable with where the time is going? Maybe at the end of the week you go, this is exactly how I want to spend my time and what I want to commit. Awesome. At least now you know, and then you can make a better choice when you start looking at making a change to say, all right, is this change going to be more substantive? Is it going to be more effective, more helpful than some other aspect of my lesson or of my day? Right?

Jon Orr: Right. And another thing to think about is watch out, when you're looking for those times and you capture the categories or what's happening during these times, watch out for distraction time too. Don't forget to record that. And why I bring that up is because when we decide what are the priorities in our day or our priorities in our teaching philosophy, and we want to make sure that we're bringing those in, during my prep time, I need to get this, this and this done because that lines with the goals that I want for myself. And if you know that there's some distractions that come in here, because there was a book called Indistractable, and in that book they talked about how to be less distracted in your daily life. It wasn't a teaching book.
But it basically said you're not distracted unless you know what you're being distracted from. So for example, if I don't set a goal for my prep time or that section of my prep time, what happens is stuff creeps in and I'm like, oh, I'm scrolling Facebook, or I spend a little bit too much time over here. And it's because that creep in happens all the time when we don't set that goal initially, because we have to know what we're being distracted from. If we're going to be even distracted.

Kyle Pearce: I love it.

Jon Orr: Because otherwise, maybe you're going to set a time to look at Facebook during your day, or set a time to spend time with your colleagues at lunch. That's a thing that you actually, we should write down. I actually purposely want to get to the staff room to sit with my colleagues, to chat about the morning, to see what's happening in the other classrooms. That would be on one of my priorities. That's okay to do that. But if I don't set that, I could say, oh, I was distracted today because I did this and I was sitting over there. I could have been doing more. But we have to set those goals so that when distraction happens, things creep in, you're like, ah, no, I got to put that away because I've set time for that later. I'm not distracted now. I'm okay to do these things later. So basically what we're saying is you almost got to map out what that day looks like, and then you can set time for these things you want to do later, and then that actually helps with limiting any distractions.

Kyle Pearce: I love it. I love it. And it kind of reminds me of a story that basically just happened to us as we were about to hit record. Jon, I'm looking. We had already mentioned last week we were in Denver. Our wives came with us. It was awesome. We had a blast. But with that, so both you and I sort of made a commitment, we were like, okay, we've got on Wednesday, we know that we're going to be going and we're doing this keynote. On the plane, we knew that we were going to use that time to help ourselves get coordinated with that. It's been a while since we had done keynote live in person. So we were like, all right, let's commit that time. But the rest of that time when we're in Denver, we want to commit to spending it as a group and going and hiking and doing all those things. Great.
Then we come back though, I've got my day very booked up. I had it booked up yesterday. I had it booked up today. You and I had an appointment that we had to go to. And today I have it full, because tomorrow I'm leaving to go camping with my family. Something that, again, I've committed that time and I've scheduled it. And I get a phone call from the-

Jon Orr: Right before we're going to record here.

Kyle Pearce: Yeah. Yeah. And I see the name on there. I'm like, ah, I recognize this name. I feel like this person keeps calling me and I can't figure out why. I can't remember. And I pick up the phone. And then I immediately remember it's the Windsor Police and they are asking to have a 15 to 20 minute conversation about essentially a character background check for a former student. A great student, amazing student. I knew that I was on there as a contact. And I'm thinking to myself in the moment, do you have 20 minutes today to speak with us? And it was funny, I didn't realize that I was doing this at the time, but inaudible-

Jon Orr: Now we were on our Zoom call right before, so I heard all this whole conversation.

Kyle Pearce: Yeah. I didn't put mute on. We were in a Zoom already, so you heard the whole thing, right?

Jon Orr: Yeah. And you said, "I don't have 20 minutes right now." And he said, "oh, really? Okay, well I'll have to figure this out." So after you hung up, I said, "you know what you just did, because you said, I don't have enough time" ... and this goes back to any time you ... Now you're going to think about this next time you hear someone tell you they don't have enough time to do this thing, because when someone says they don't have enough time, what they're really saying is, I don't have enough time. You're not a priority. That's really what it comes down to.
So when you hear that, it's like, you're a district leader, you're a math coach and someone says that, teachers, because remember, we say that all the time, what they're saying is you're not a priority right now, but how do we fix that? But that's what you said to this gentleman on the phone. You're not a priority right now. Maybe later I can fit you in, but I can't do this now, because I've got all these other things I've made a goal for myself to get done.

Kyle Pearce: Yeah. That are more important than you.

Jon Orr: Right. So I guess he could have taken, if he thought meta cognitively about that, did he think about that? Probably not. When a lot of times we do think that when someone says they don't have time, that there's really saying that you're not a priority. But that's a true statement. So the question is when I hear that as an educator now, it's like, okay, well that pivots me to go, how can I help this person see that this is a priority? Even on this phone call, Kyle, he later said, "are you sure you don't have 20 minutes for me?" And I could see your wheels turning. He was trying to convince you that you should be setting him as a priority. We do have to think about that. If I'm in a position to help teachers see new things and new ideas, I want to help them see that this should be a priority. And how can I do that for that teacher? What are the ways that I can convince them, or show them, or demonstrate to them that this thing is a priority, that you should be making it a goal?

Kyle Pearce: Yeah, absolutely. And something really interesting too is, it's something, I guess to compare and contrast between our job as educators and the work that we do in our classroom, but then also the time we commit outside of the classroom. Something that we're hoping you get out of this episode is I hope you see that by doing some of these things, we don't want it to look like an add-on. To me, this phone call, this is an add-on. There's really nothing else I can do. It's not like I can replace something and add this in or swap it in. We're trying to encourage you to think of how do you swap things versus just piling on. Because I think in education, we treat it like that phone call where it's like another 20 minute task, another 20 minute task, and it just never ends.
So what we're trying to get you to see is that no, no, we don't want you to just keep on piling on these 20 minute tasks. We want you to think about where are you committing 20 minutes here and there, where maybe you can use that for something else. And I really like how you said this too, Jon, about how you make an effort to go to the lunchroom and eat with your colleagues. And I actually in recent years have done this because I was really bad at it. I used to use my lunchtime to try to get more, and more, and more and more done. And I realized, it's actually not good for me in a number of ways. First of all, it's just not good from a mental health perspective. But it's also not good to build your rapport and your camaraderie with your colleagues. So building that relationship and kind of keeping a strong relationship.
Well, if you're happier throughout the day, you are going to be more motivated or more driven to do more in less time in these other times throughout the day. So maybe taking that 20 minutes to go and spend time there. I find when I eat with colleagues and you're laughing, and hopefully it's not all negative, you don't want to surround yourself by negative conversation all the time. But if you can turn it around where you might have had a rough morning, and going and having a conversation, and laughing about it and maybe strategizing on how things can be better, that might turn your day around so that the back end of the day is a much more positive experience, which is going to give you more energy to want to follow through with some of the things that you said you would do in class or after class as you prepare for the next day.

Jon Orr: And don't feel guilty about making these decisions, because when you make the decision, go spend time in the staff room with your colleagues, Kyle, you're saying probably partly, you're like, oh, I want to use that time to get stuff done so that I can go do these other things. I think sometimes we might feel guilty in a sense of doing some of these things that we really love to do during our day, but think, oh, I could have been doing this. But that's where the goal setting comes from. So don't feel guilty if you've said, you know what? I want to make that a priority. I'm going to dedicate time to it. Therefore, when you're in it, you shouldn't feel guilty because you've already thought about it.
I think the problems occur when we don't have that priorities or those goals set. We have to consciously think about what we want and then go, how does that align? How does my day align with those things? Similarly with you're at home, you're sitting on the couch watching Netflix. I sometimes will budget that time with my family to go, I think us sitting down and watching a half hour show all together is one of those kind of building, we all laugh together. We talk about the show together. We don't specifically always set that exact time. But when I put all other things away and say, that's not actually a distraction from all the things I want to get done today, it's actually part of my day. I want to make sure that we do that, because I find that that's so valuable for us as a family.
So don't feel guilty about some of these things that you're like, oh, I got to use as much time in as I can. Just what we're saying in this episode kind of in summary now is when we say we don't have enough time, we really need to say, how can I create more time? And really what we're saying is how can I set my goals? Or how does my time reflect the goals and priorities I want for myself to create happiness and to create the lifestyle that I want, and also the teaching style that I want?

Kyle Pearce: I love it. I love it. In summary, as we sort of wrap things up here, again, I'll say it again, that before, during, after for me is really helpful. This morning, Jon, before we got on here, this is outside of education, but same idea, you can apply this to your classroom. We're on summer vacation right now. Woke up this morning and I knew we had a big day ahead of us. We do, but I also do personally as well for some of these other areas of my life. And I was thinking to myself, I don't really want to go on that run. But I did think about it, how am I going to feel, and in particular, I know how I'm feeling now, which is I don't want to, but I'm like, how am I going to feel during, in the middle of it? And usually in the middle of it, you're feeling better. In the middle, not at the beginning. The beginning is never fun.

Jon Orr: You're only feeling better because you know you'll be done in a minute.

Kyle Pearce: Yeah. There you go. Exactly. You're almost there. But specifically I wanted to think about after, because as I'm doing this in this moment, I know that I feel better that I did that already. I feel more energized. I feel more just light positive. And my mind's clearer. And I knew, I'm like, if I'm going to be on the computer for a while this morning, and then we've got a Q&A later today, and then something else later, oh, a coaching call with one of our districts, we've got a lot to do today. And I'm thinking to myself, man, the last thing I want to do is go on this run. But I know that after the fact I'm going to feel better about it. So what can I do when I'm prepping? I know, again, relating it right to math class, I used to spend too much time trying to make my printables, my handouts, my worksheets look good.
And now I realize I could have taken that time and actually thought more about what students might do with the problem so that I can be better, more nimble in the moment as students are working on the problem versus trying to make everything fit perfectly, and look great and be awesome. So think of where that time is, budget that time. And I promise you, you are going to feel better about what you're doing with that time. It's not going to be a mystery to you as to where that time is going. And then hopefully from this episode, you'll be thinking every time when you say, I don't have time for that, I want you to start more consciously saying, like Jon said, I don't want to make that a priority.
And I think if you say that instead, it will force you to at least think of what you're currently doing versus this new thing and compare them a little bit more rather than just dismissing something because you can't. So what you're saying is I've actually made a professional judgment. I'm using my professional judgment to say this thing here might be cool, but it's not a priority for me currently. And at least you're comparing and you're actually thinking and reasoning through why you're doing what you're doing. And just with that little shift, I feel like over time, you're going to naturally replace things a little bit more fluently versus sort of shutting them down and sort of dismissing them as an impossibility.

Jon Orr: And if you need some accountability or some motivation, you could hit reply on any one of our emails if you got our emails, and tell us what are your goals for this coming school year? Our academy members are prompted as soon as you join the academy to start your progress log, which you set your goals for yourself for the upcoming year to work towards. This goal setting is super important. This priority setting is important. And sharing that with someone can be super helpful in your motivation. I know that when you say it out loud, you now have this accountability to make sure it gets done. So you can force that on yourself by sharing it with us. You can get into our Facebook group, Math Moment Makers K to 12, let us know your goals over in the group. Or hey, tag us on any social media, we're at Make Math Moments. Let us know your goals coming this year that way. Lots of different places that you can do that. But I think we strongly encourage you to write those down somewhere and share them with another human being.

Kyle Pearce: I love it. And if you are a district decision maker for mathematics, whether it's an administrator, a superintendent, a director, math coordinator, keep in mind, we do have our district mentorship program. I'm telling you, Jon, the time we spend with our district leaders and helping them think through, oftentimes it comes down to things like time and it comes down to trying to identify which areas of effective teaching practices. We often use principles to actions as nice high level understanding. We try to put what they do in their district through that filter and narrow down, what is it that we are going to focus our time on now versus trying to do it all? And help them work through what does that PD plan look like? What does it sound like? We obviously support them with ideas on what they can implement. Or if they bring us ideas, we try to help them, ask them questions and coach them along so that they can craft and get the most positive experience through that PD time, that very limited, but valuable PD time that they have with their educators.
So if you are one of those decision makers and you would like to hop on a call with our district mentorship team, we only have a couple spots left for districts for this upcoming year. So let us know by heading over to makemathmoments.com/district. That's makemathmoments.com/district. And you can hop on a quick 30 minute call with our team. Might be Jon, might be myself, might be Gerald or one of our other team members, so we can do a needs analysis and try to get a sense of where you are at in your journey and to help you sort of envision what it will look like moving forward if we work together as a team. So head on over, makemathmoments.com/district, and hopefully we'll hop on a call with you real soon.

Jon Orr: Awesome stuff. And in order to ensure you don't miss out on our podcast episodes, the new ones, they come out every Monday morning, early, Eastern Time over here and subscribe on your favorite podcast platform. Also, you can catch the video version over on YouTube,

Kyle Pearce: Awesome stuff, my friends. Those ratings and reviews, Jon, lately we've been getting at least one every week, which is awesome. Love to see more like five per week, because guess what? Jon, last week, I think we had 9,000 listens across the podcast. 9,000 awesome educators in one week, but only one review and rating. And that kind of made my heart sad. So do us a solid and do other educators as solid, because again, the point of the ratings and reviews is so that more educators land on this podcast and push their thinking forward. So do us that solid. And friends, if you need show notes, links to resources, complete transcripts, as well as any other resources you can head over to the makemathmoments.com website. We've got full problem based units. We've got all kinds of wonderful stuff. And of course, the show notes page is at episode 193. That's makemathmoments.com/episode193. All right, my friends, until next time, I am Kyle Pierce.

Jon Orr: And I'm Jon Orr.

Kyle Pearce: High fives for us. And high five for you.